Google December 2024 Spam Update 👾 Rollout Shocks Before Holidays

Dec 20, 2024 - 7:51 am 194—by Barry Schwartz

Filed Under Google Updates

Google Spam Update

Google has released the December 2024 spam update one day after the December 2024 core update was completed and just days before the big year-end holiday break. This release likely surprised most of us, but at this point, I guess nothing should surprise us.

Google wrote, "Released the December 2024 spam update, which applies globally and to all languages. The rollout may take up to 1 week to complete."

Google announced this on December 19, 2024 and 12 pm ET and the update should be done in about a week (around Christmas/Hanukkah time).

December 2024 Google Spam Update Quick Facts

Here are the most important things that we know right now in short form:

- Name: Google December 2024 Spam Update

- Launched: December 19, 2024 at about 12:00 pm ET

- Rollout: Will take about a week to fully rollout.

- Targets: Sites violating some of the Google search spam policies.

- Does Not Target: This update does not target link spam, it does not target the site reputation abuse policy and some other policies.

- Penalty: It penalizes some of spam techniques that are against Google's spam policies.

- Global: This is a global update impacting all regions and languages.

- Impact: Google would not tell me what percentage of queries or searches were impacted by this update.

- Recover: If you were hit by this, Google said you should review its spam policies to ensure they are complying with those.

- Refreshes: Google will do periodic refreshes to the spam update. It can take many months to recover, Google said.

What Google Said

Google said this is a global update that applies to all languages. Google wrote, "Released the December 2024 spam update, which applies globally and to all languages. The rollout may take up to 1 week to complete."

Google linked to its spam updates page which was updated on October 31, 2024 to read:

While Google's automated systems to detect search spam are constantly operating, we occasionally make notable improvements to how they work. When we do, we refer to this as a spam update and share when they happen on our list of Google Search ranking updates.

For example, SpamBrain is our AI-based spam-prevention system. From time-to-time, we improve that system to make it better at spotting spam and to help ensure it catches new types of spam.

Sites that see a change after a spam update should review our spam policies to ensure they are complying with those. Sites that violate our policies may rank lower in results or not appear in results at all. Making changes may help a site improve if our automated systems learn over a period of months that the site complies with our spam policies.

In the case of a link spam update (an update that specifically deals with link spam), making changes might not generate an improvement. This is because when our systems remove the effects spammy links may have, any ranking benefit the links may have previously generated for your site is lost. Any potential ranking benefits generated by those links cannot be regained.

Video on December 2024 Spam Update Completing

I've been working on my YouTube skills, so here is a quick video I did on this spam update (I misspoke in the video and said December 20th, not 19th):

Previous Google Spam Updates

Here are the documented previous spam updates:

- June 2021 spam update on June 23, 2021 - one day rollout

- June 2021 spam update on June 28, 2021 - one day rollout

- July 2021 link spam update started on July 26, 2021 and completed 29 days later on August 24, 2021

- November 2021 spam update started on November 3, 2021 and completed 8 days later on November 11, 2021

- October 2022 spam update started on October 19, 2022 and completed 48 hours later on October 21, 2022

- December 2022 link spam update started on December 14, 2022 and completed 19 days later on January 12, 2023

- October 2023 spam update started on October 4, 2023 and completed 15 days later on October 20, 2023

- March 2024 spam update started on March 5, 2024 and completed 15 days later on March 20, 2024

- June 2024 spam update started on June 20, 2024 and completed 7 days later on June 27, 2024

- December 2024 spam update started on December 19, 2024 and should complete in about a week.

Tracking Tools On December 2024 Spam Update

With the December 2024 core update just finishing, it might be a tad hard to distinguish between the tail end of that core update and the start of the December spam update. But here is what we are seeing from these tools:

Semrush:

Semrush

SimilarWeb:

Similarweb

Sistrix:

Sistrix

Wincher:

Wincher

Cognitive SEO:

Cognitiveseo

Accuranker:

Accuranker

Advanced Web Rankings:

Advancedwebranking

Mozcast:

Mozcast

Mangools:

Mangools

Algoroo:

Algoroo

SERPstat:

Serpstat

SEOclarity:

Seoclarity

Data For SEO:

Dataforseo

SEO Chatter On December 2024 Spam Update

Most of the chatter is around, how can Google do this so close to the holidays and right after the core update finished. But Google did tell us to expect more updates, more often - I guess.

Here is some of the chatter from here, WebmasterWorld and social:

Yesterday was a sad day. One of our websites that used to get 5000-6000 visits a day was reduced to just 2300 visits. Less than half. It's unbelievable. Most of our partners are complaining about Google's unfairness. I don't know anyone who is doing well during this time.

Oh my goodness.... brace yourselves for impact AGAIN.

Spam updates are the worst. Oh you used the keyword 1 too many times. So now you have to change every page on your site, but do not use AI.

Just in time for the holidays, where even your SEO strategies get coal if they’ve been naughty.

Lets hope this one targets actual spam.

Listen up... I'm sure there's bandwidth to fit an HCU in tandem and go out to the New Year on a bang!

Google’s ‘Have you been naughty this year?’ update is here.

Friend: What you got for Christmas?

Me: spam update

Are you going to take a break for the holidays or are you going to continue working? Just asking...

Lets hope this one targets actual spam.

it's thursday. get ready for more shuffling.

Lol , We sailed through Dec core update somewhow but spam update looks bad for us :)

Google December 2024 Spam Update 👾 Rollout Shocks Before Holidays

Dec 20, 2024 - 7:51 am

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by Barry Schwartz

Filed Under Google Updates

Google Spam Update

Google has released the December 2024 spam update one day after the December 2024 core update was completed and just days before the big year-end holiday break. This release likely surprised most of us, but at this point, I guess nothing should surprise us.

Google wrote, "Released the December 2024 spam update, which applies globally and to all languages. The rollout may take up to 1 week to complete."

Google announced this on December 19, 2024 and 12 pm ET and the update should be done in about a week (around Christmas/Hanukkah time).

December 2024 Google Spam Update Quick Facts

Here are the most important things that we know right now in short form:

Name: Google December 2024 Spam Update

Launched: December 19, 2024 at about 12:00 pm ET

Rollout: Will take about a week to fully rollout.

Targets: Sites violating some of the Google search spam policies.

Does Not Target: This update does not target link spam, it does not target the site reputation abuse policy and some other policies.

Penalty: It penalizes some of spam techniques that are against Google's spam policies.

Global: This is a global update impacting all regions and languages.

Impact: Google would not tell me what percentage of queries or searches were impacted by this update.

Recover: If you were hit by this, Google said you should review its spam policies to ensure they are complying with those.

Refreshes: Google will do periodic refreshes to the spam update. It can take many months to recover, Google said.

What Google Said

Google said this is a global update that applies to all languages. Google wrote, "Released the December 2024 spam update, which applies globally and to all languages. The rollout may take up to 1 week to complete."

Google linked to its spam updates page which was updated on October 31, 2024 to read:

While Google's automated systems to detect search spam are constantly operating, we occasionally make notable improvements to how they work. When we do, we refer to this as a spam update and share when they happen on our list of Google Search ranking updates.

For example, SpamBrain is our AI-based spam-prevention system. From time-to-time, we improve that system to make it better at spotting spam and to help ensure it catches new types of spam.

Sites that see a change after a spam update should review our spam policies to ensure they are complying with those. Sites that violate our policies may rank lower in results or not appear in results at all. Making changes may help a site improve if our automated systems learn over a period of months that the site complies with our spam policies.

In the case of a link spam update (an update that specifically deals with link spam), making changes might not generate an improvement. This is because when our systems remove the effects spammy links may have, any ranking benefit the links may have previously generated for your site is lost. Any potential ranking benefits generated by those links cannot be regained.

Video on December 2024 Spam Update Completing

I've been working on my YouTube skills, so here is a quick video I did on this spam update (I misspoke in the video and said December 20th, not 19th):

Previous Google Spam Updates

Here are the documented previous spam updates:

June 2021 spam update on June 23, 2021 - one day rollout

June 2021 spam update on June 28, 2021 - one day rollout

July 2021 link spam update started on July 26, 2021 and completed 29 days later on August 24, 2021

November 2021 spam update started on November 3, 2021 and completed 8 days later on November 11, 2021

October 2022 spam update started on October 19, 2022 and completed 48 hours later on October 21, 2022

December 2022 link spam update started on December 14, 2022 and completed 19 days later on January 12, 2023

October 2023 spam update started on October 4, 2023 and completed 15 days later on October 20, 2023

March 2024 spam update started on March 5, 2024 and completed 15 days later on March 20, 2024

June 2024 spam update started on June 20, 2024 and completed 7 days later on June 27, 2024

December 2024 spam update started on December 19, 2024 and should complete in about a week.

Tracking Tools On December 2024 Spam Update

With the December 2024 core update just finishing, it might be a tad hard to distinguish between the tail end of that core update and the start of the December spam update. But here is what we are seeing from these tools:

Semrush:

Semrush

SimilarWeb:

Similarweb

Sistrix:

Sistrix

Wincher:

Wincher

Cognitive SEO:

Cognitiveseo

Accuranker:

Accuranker

Advanced Web Rankings:

Advancedwebranking

Mozcast:

Mozcast

Mangools:

Mangools

Algoroo:

Algoroo

SERPstat:

Serpstat

SEOclarity:

Seoclarity

Data For SEO:

Dataforseo

SEO Chatter On December 2024 Spam Update

Most of the chatter is around, how can Google do this so close to the holidays and right after the core update finished. But Google did tell us to expect more updates, more often - I guess.

Here is some of the chatter from here, WebmasterWorld and social:

Yesterday was a sad day. One of our websites that used to get 5000-6000 visits a day was reduced to just 2300 visits. Less than half. It's unbelievable. Most of our partners are complaining about Google's unfairness. I don't know anyone who is doing well during this time.

Oh my goodness.... brace yourselves for impact AGAIN.

Spam updates are the worst. Oh you used the keyword 1 too many times. So now you have to change every page on your site, but do not use AI.

Just in time for the holidays, where even your SEO strategies get coal if they’ve been naughty.

Lets hope this one targets actual spam.

Listen up... I'm sure there's bandwidth to fit an HCU in tandem and go out to the New Year on a bang!

Google’s ‘Have you been naughty this year?’ update is here.

Friend: What you got for Christmas?

Me: spam update

Are you going to take a break for the holidays or are you going to continue working? Just asking...

Lets hope this one targets actual spam.

it's thursday. get ready for more shuffling.

Lol , We sailed through Dec core update somewhow but spam update looks bad for us :)

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Amy Green an hour ago

Spam update causing spammy websites to resurface. Nice

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  Amy Greenan hour ago

Yes, seeing a LOT of spam sites coming back. This "spam update" isn't to eradicate but to restore spam, it seems.

I'm seeing very, very old spam all the way back in 2022 that Google managed to get rid of in 2023 and now it is back on the first page.

What a fucking joke.

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Barry Schwartz Mod2 hours ago

Anyone seeing anything specific with this spam update? I am seeing more complaints about deindexing (hard to know if it is the spam update) and more complaints from folks in black hat forums...

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Google Is Evil  Barry Schwartz11 minutes ago

I wish I had something specific. zero black hat, zero spam, zero nothing close to doing anything wrong. I don't think a site could be more white hat and eeat. basically zero "seo" tactics other than being a good website. down 60% since beginning of December. We've continued to lose during the spam update it appears. basically heading quickly toward zero. my full time site that has supported our family for years is now barely reaching hobby numbers.

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actualart  Barry Schwartzan hour ago

Anything specific? It's a failed update so far. My site which is obviously not spam is getting hammered pretty bad. It has:

Decades of presence as leader in its very specific vertical (Google should "know" it by now, right?)

No links bought or sold ever

Not a single "sponsoderd article"

Not one affiliate link

Zero clickbait, misleading content

Zero content outside of its topic/expertise

Zero AI generated content

Actual real people finding it useful, direct "branded" traffic

Not negatively affected by any of the 2024 / HCU updates (maybe because its actually built for its audience not Google?)

Yet, at the same time I know actual blatant spam that is creeping up in the rankings. Like MrSEO said "junk sites".

Maybe this update will sort itself out in coming days but it's very unlikely.

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ATLASY  Barry Schwartz2 hours ago

I have several websites that were affected during the March update. Currently, there are positive signs, as many keywords have started to reappear in google. There's an improvement in impressions and clicks in GSC, but I think it's still too early to celebrate and say that my websites are back to life.

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ChopSawBrah  ATLASY22 minutes ago edited

many people including me report the same

I even had an email for a reader - haven't received that for over a year

but i think it will be bullshit in the end

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Sayani  ATLASYan hour ago

absolutely...

im actually nt at all excited abt the sudden spike my site witnessed on friday bcz its too early to celebrate

i dont trust any of these anymore

only ik how mch i was traumatized for over a yr...am still

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Barry Schwartz Mod ATLASY2 hours ago

share a chart when you can

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ATLASY  Barry Schwartz2 hours ago

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Sayani  ATLASYan hour ago

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Barry Schwartz Mod Sayanian hour ago

thank you both

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Barry Schwartz Mod ATLASY2 hours ago

nice!

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Sayani  Barry Schwartz2 hours ago

more complaints from folks in black hat forums...OK

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DataDonkey  Sayanian hour ago

They have a white hat section too and don't exercise extreme censorship, deputized by the ministry of truth, like they do at Webmaster World.

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Barry Schwartz Mod Sayani2 hours ago

I see less in the WebmasterWorld forums than I see in the Black Hat World forums, right now.

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DataDonkey  Barry Schwartz2 hours ago

Webmaster World is known for extreme censorship, which is why many of the good people who posted there left a long time ago and never returned.

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Barry Schwartz Mod DataDonkey2 hours ago

yea but it is pretty anti google there these days

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  Barry Schwartz2 hours ago edited

All I can say is... "BS Update".

back in November, my 2 sites were hit (I shared before).

December core update, it started to return a little.

Now spam update, it is gone again.

And as many have shared, more spam sites went to the top instead. When they said "spam update" I think they actually meant bringing spam back than eradicating them.

BS update. Scam update.

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Barry Schwartz Mod Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶2 hours ago

BS are my initials, so I know it well.

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  Barry Schwartzan hour ago

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MrSEO  Barry Schwartz2 hours ago

Im seeing many repurposed domains with standard ai content ranking really high, a few of my old junk test sites that were hit in sept HCU, junk sites also came back to life. My good sites which recovered in August from the Sept HCU hit again. so just a real mess.

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Look at the survey thingy....I hate AI...n it seems sm other ppl have same mentality as me

see more

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ChopSawBrah  Sayani8 hours ago

ofc

average human has zero benefits from AI

techfags promote it for money

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Sayani  ChopSawBrah6 hours ago

Agreed

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Atoz Stanf15 hours ago

This says everything, you want to rank for something, just post on reddit:

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Bobby  Atoz Stanf8 hours ago edited

This is a good example of why forums rank today. It's assumed everything else is AI, you see? That's the direction they want.

What people are saying. That's the heading. No people anywhere else.

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DramaShout14316 hours ago

does anyone of guys experiencing this? Site, no AI, all original content. Google started deindexing some pages in March 2024. Now, it continues deindexing.

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Sayani  DramaShout14313 hours ago

yeah noticed that since sept 2023 only n been continuing

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Bobby17 hours ago edited

My Bing traffic on the site founded March 2024. I know Siyani would have been proud if she didn't lose her mind one time.

If this was Google, it would go back down again because that's the Google way. But I'm quite sure this is going to keep growing in all decent search engines such as Bing.

I recommend you try to build for Bing now. It takes about 9 months to get going.

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googleisjoke  Bobby17 hours ago edited

not even indexed, already 1 month old, need to hire someone for it, pretty weird shit, bing could work depends on the niche, but still those are just impressions, little clicks

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ChopSawBrah  googleisjoke8 hours ago

bing is known to deindex legit sites

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Bobby  googleisjoke17 hours ago edited

1 month isn't long enough for Bing. It takes more time. Bing takes longer than Google to get started, but it then has faith in you once they allow you in.

This site has 1000 posts now and this is the result. It takes a long time. But I know it's not going to screw me now. I know it believes in me. As long as I use my experience and don't annoy it, I think it will stay up.

I can even see my posts! It's incredible. The best Christmas of all time.

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ChopSawBrah  Bobby8 hours ago

lol

1000 posts and praying on bing

bing is a waste of time

it's only used by retired people who bought a computer with preinstalled windows

the most search term on bing is google - download chrome (although edge is good tbh)

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Bobby  ChopSawBrah8 hours ago edited

All false info. Don't put false info on this blog. You put fake information here and I'll take you to jail.

As the Google exodus continues, many people use Bing actually. It just depends on the niche. Also, Xbox is directly linked to Bing. Xbox users browse Bing from a controller. I don't cover gaming, but just Xbox traffic alone is considerable.

You give me nothing but rubbish. I give you nothing but facts. Every time.

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FF22220 hours ago edited

They most likely do these before Christmas, Black Friday, etc. just so you can't actually measure their impact, because consumer/user behavior changes significantly in those periods anyway, and only Google will be able to concern the difference between changes caused by that and the changes caused by their updates

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ATLASY21 hours ago

I am one of those affected by the March update. Now, I see positive indicators across several websites. I believe this update is corrective.

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Sayani  ATLASY13 hours ago

would u mind elaborating? i mean, are those sites simple blog info kind of sites or ecom?

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vijay  Sayani7 hours ago

I also all websites started showing again as wiped in march, traffic is 70% still 30% loss but recovered. All websites is on different niche. For my march update reversed

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Sayani  vijay6 hours ago

Oh ok thanks for conveying us this msg

Kindly let me know since when have u been noticing this recovery?...since this latest update?

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vijay  Sayani6 hours ago

from spam update two days ago

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Sayani  vijay6 hours ago

Oh ok ...bt that's a good sign...hope ull c more recovery....good wishes

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vijay  Sayani6 hours ago

Ya, I think from today more recovery showing people are commenting. March 2024 update reversed

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ChopSawBrah  Sayani8 hours ago

info blog site

but it won't amount to shit

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ChopSawBrah  ATLASY19 hours ago

I also see positive indicators, like my site is back in the serps

I doubt it will amount to much, though.

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Google Is Evil  ATLASY20 hours ago

Maybe for your site. Not for mine.

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googleisjoke 21 hours ago

google gave me 5% traffic boost and now took it back haha, such loosers, they didn't even intend to give me a boost, it was by accident lol

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Google Is Evila day ago

One of the most bittersweet things is watching people showing big recoveries, like graphs that all of a sudden shoot up. I'm happy for them, however, it's painful to watch when we've put crazy hard work into improving everything and it just keeps going down. Like, so close to financial ruin because I put it all back into the site. Makes you want to jump off a bridge.

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Sayani  Google Is Evil13 hours ago

+since when did ppl start posting such graphs bcz i havent come across any such graph yet/maybe since im nt trying to stay updated im missing out....bt its important for me to know since when theyve been posting these graphs

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Sayani  Google Is Evil13 hours ago

i highly doubt if thats going to stay constant...i mean that sudden weird shoot up

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FF222  Google Is Evil19 hours ago edited

Also these graphs are misleading in the sense, that once your traffic has dopped, even small gains in absolute terms will show as a big relative change on the graph, because they're a change relative to a low base, as opposed when you lose traffic, which will show as a relative small change compared to a higher base even for a larger number of lost visitors

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Google Is Evil  FF22217 hours ago edited

Yeah, I get that. I’ll gladly take one of these. A single bump, even if not all the way, could help support my family.

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ChopSawBrah  Google Is Evila day ago

it's not really a recovery

it's a big boost percentage wise cause they have like 20 views and sometimes hit 60

it's bullshit

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actualart  Google Is Evila day ago edited

I haven't seen those "recoveries". The very very few ones that I have seen previously - they were SEO oriented/clickbait sites that never deserved any recovery or traffic to begin with.

If you are trafficking in spam or AI junk or guest articles or affiliate listicles and other forms of spam junk - maybe you have a chance. But if you are building something legit, Google will never give you your fair share of traffic.

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ChopSawBrah a day ago

i am actually seein my HCU dead site climbing the ladder of rankings

like it was completely shut off from search

now some of the articles are ressurecting like a limp dick on an expired viagra pill

meaning - still below redditgheyism but present - before it was absent

funny

some of those articles ranked top 1 for years

then killed

then back to the top

so much so for being unhelpful

evil greedle

could be a glitch, but I am not hallucinating, site is reappearing in the serps

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Golden Phoenixa day ago

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So I searched for reviews of this unknown brand Inoviva and Google shows me reviews of Ninja brand. I am sorry. This is so BS. Now if you review this other brand, you won't show up anywhere. WTF. This all started in May 2022. That's when Google stopped caring about what people searched for. It's sad that people don't switch to other search engines.

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  Golden Phoenixa day ago

I feel it is deliberate.

So if a big business tries to look for their own reviews of their products/services and notices Google is ranking their competitors instead, they may opt for paid ads to bid for their own brand keywords.

Don't forget... Christmas and New Year is round the corner... As people are looking for presents and start shopping, Google gotta fuck things up in the name of "spam update". Ironically, it made the search results more spammy.

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Golden Phoenix  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶a day ago

Ninja is a big brand, the other is some newer brand. They have 0 chance of succeeding. This is so messed up. This is just an example. I have noticed this for so many products.

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  Golden Phoenixa day ago

Must be Nick Fox's new "strategy" for Search.

So now not only do we have to worry about throttling, shuffling, and updates... We have to worry about "irrelevancy with competitor keywords ranking".

Sheesh. Google is really gone.

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DataDonkey  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶a day ago

In October it was said Greedle's AI will categorize results, instead of rank them, beginning with recipes/meals and to expand to other categories. Maybe Greedle's shallow AI is applying categorization of food/drink based product queries too instead of ranking them? A rare case of me looking for a technical reason as to why branded results aren't returned. Still I believe Greedles shift in verbiage from ranking to categorization is more of a legal move than anything as it will be easier for Google to fend off regulators/lawsuits when they categorize and not rank.

Google is rolling out 'AI-organized' search results - https://mashable.com/article/google-rolling-out-ai-organized-search-results

On Thursday, Google announced the rollout of full-page search results organized by AI. Instead of traditional rankings-based search, Google will now organize the results into buckets of subcategories based on your query.

The update is only on mobile for now, and starts with recipes and meal inspiration first, but will expand to other categories later on. So if you're looking for vegetarian appetizer ideas (as shown in Google's example), search results will be grouped by deeper queries, like top recipes, easy recipes, and recipes categorized by specific ingredients.

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Golden Phoenix  DataDonkeya day ago

so a [brand name] slushie maker review returning Ninja is AI's fault? but they tell us their Gemini is smarter than anything nd their quantum chip can solve problems that take other computers 10,000 years in 5 minutes? As I said earlier. Out of top 10 results for this brand, only Amazon and TikTok were accurate. The rest were Ninja listings.

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DataDonkey  Golden Phoenix21 hours ago

Not entirely AI's fault but Greedle's potential use of AI in search queries where it shouldn't be used. Greedle can say their AI is great, but like most everything Greedle says it's nothing but BS. That's why most people prefer to use other chatbots instead of GermInEye (see December 2024 marketshare pic). Search for Inoviva product reviews on Bing, and the results are much better. We all know Greedle's search results suck, so this should not surprise anyone.

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ChopSawBrah  DataDonkey19 hours ago

copilot and gpt are the same thing

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DataDonkey  ChopSawBrah19 hours ago

Where they are accessed by users is not.

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Golden Phoenix  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶a day ago

surely Google have to be sued? Seems deceptive to me to show only big brands? Anti-competitive?

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Durant Imboden  Golden Phoenix21 hours ago

Google has been sued, but U.S. courts have ruled that its rankings are opinions that are protected by the First Amendment. (IMO, that's a good thing, because we don't need politicians and lobbyists dictating search results.)

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Jacek Rużyczka  Golden Phoenixa day ago

Take a close look at the page, which ranks #1.

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Golden Phoenix  Jacek Rużyczkaa day ago edited

The only one on the first page that has the product I was searching for is Amazon and TikTok. The rest are about another brand. I specifically searched for Inoviva Slushie Maker Review. Absolutely pathetic. If you are that company, you are getting screwed big time by Google. Nobody can find your product because Google is only showing your competitor.

So in the past week I have found out that Google is ranking fake AI reviews with fake images and fake product as #1 for nut milk makers and now showing only Ninja brand for all Slushie makers. How is that OK? Even the companies selling these products are getting screwed. Forget those who review them.

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actualart  Golden Phoenixa day ago

Pathetic.

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Golden Phoenixa day ago

traffic stats look super ugly today but who even knows what's going on. It's close to Christmas.

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actualarta day ago

Both Sundar and Sergey have just had meetings with Donald. Everything will be sorted out as far as the antitrust thing. Google will be greenlighted to continue illegal practices "fully legally".

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John A. User  actualarta day ago

Sad, but true.

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ChopSawBrah  John A. Usera day ago

Donald and musk will not save you

like must did some good tweeter things but ultimately turned it into a self-worship machine

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DataDonkeya day ago

The Google Crime Syndicate has provided a counter-offer to the Government's suggested remedies in the antitrust case Greedle lost. In the proposed remedies Greedle has offered, they keep the Chrome spyware browser.

Google’s counteroffer to the government trying to break it up is unbundling Android apps - https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/21/24326402/google-search-antitrust-remedies-proposal-browser-default-android

The Department of Justice’s list of solutions for fixing Google’s illegal antitrust behavior and restoring competition in the search engine market started with forcing the company to sell Chrome, and late Friday night, Google responded with a list of its own (included below).

Instead of breaking off Chrome, Android, or Google Play as the DOJ’s filing considers, Google’s proposed fixes aim at the payments it makes to companies like Apple and Mozilla for exclusive, prioritized placement of its services, its licensing deals with companies that make Android phones, and contracts with wireless carriers. They don’t address a DOJ suggestion about possibly forcing Google to share its valuable search data with other companies to help their products catch up.

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John A. User  DataDonkeya day ago

Didn't see anything about AI, them hoping it be swept under the carpet. Not much help to us and another wasted year of waiting for the final decision. Mehta really is slow and he's hoping the case would go away, he didn't want the case, he hoped it would resolve it itself. During the time from the case was filed to it started, he had time to sentance a lot of undesirables....

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DataDonkey  John A. Usera day ago

AI wasn't at the core of this case. Maybe next year more lawsuits will arise if Greedle shows only AI Overlords in search, which will destroy the digital economy and give many standing in the courts. The congress AI task force report was released a few days back and you can read it at: https://www.speaker.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/AI-Task-Force-Report-FINAL.pdf

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John A. User  DataDonkeya day ago

Yes, I saw that.. Although not read every page..

Page 117, AI proponents are going to jump on what they say there. Politicians are leaving up to the judges to decide rather than lead.

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DataDonkey  John A. Usera day ago

Greedle's section 230 immunity they have needs to be rescinded so we all have the opportunity to sue Google and give those judges the opportunity to decide. Anyway, AI Overlords should be beyond the scope of section 230 since Greedle functions as the publisher, with content they stole from us of course.

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  DataDonkeya day ago edited

lol, imagine if someone ever commit a crime and the judge draws their verdict and punishment. Then, the defendent/criminal goes, "Oh no, I suggest that you put me at house arrest instead; or 200 hours of community service while electronically tagged."

Negotiating/counteroffer judge's verdict. lol

The audacity and arrogance is amazing.

I still remember when they first tried to counter-argue by saying how such lawsuits can make users lose out; how US national security is at stake, .etc. Like seriously...

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ChopSawBrah  DataDonkeya day ago

we live in a society...

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googleisjoke a day ago

forbes :D their "growth" looks rather like a roller coaster

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Bobbya day ago

I must say, it's very disappointing how not one wealthy SEO has bothered to lend a hand to this very dedicated blogging community right here. All it would take is for one of those wealthy SEOs who control Google's thoughts to give us a free audit and we'd be saved.

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ChopSawBrah  Bobbya day ago

seo is a scam and shouldn't even exist as a stand alone profession

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Mariana  Bobbya day ago

You know, I don't think what's happening with Google today has anything to do with SEO. It's deliberately destroying... SEO has no relevance.

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Hernawan Id a day ago

Language does not matter, if the DA is right, then you can also publish the content for the German market in Chinese.

You will rank for everything!

Spam update is doing exactly what is supposed to do , rank the spam higher .

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Bobby  Hernawan Ida day ago edited

My English site ranks in Baidu. And Baidu is correct. My content is the best actually. Translations should be done at the browser or search engine level; it should not be extra code on a website. Translations are the responsibility of the user or search engine.

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Hernawan Id  Bobbya day ago edited

My site actually turned into a ChatGPT reference with high-volume keywords. It’s ranking number one on Bing, and the layout on Bing is super user-friendly. But that’s not the case with Google search results. Instead, my website’s name has become an extra keyword in Google searches for those terms. It’s kinda weird—Google seems to prefer big brands with only surface-level content.

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DataDonkey  Hernawan Ida day ago

Bing, Baidu and Yandex all have similar global marketshare https://radar.cloudflare.com/year-in-review/2024#search-engine-market-share with none driving much traffic and so little sales. Even with USA marketshare of 5.4%, Bing is dung in sales. Probably because first page of Bing's serps has only one organic link for us.

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ChopSawBrah a day ago

why i don't think google will abandon serp mode (just prediction - i can't know)

if google stops being google a.k.a. a search engine and switch into GPT mode - people start bouncing harder than ever

because why do google when now you have options?

gpt is better than goolge AI

grok is good too (for image)

copilot is good

claude is good

perplexity is good

also google won't be able to do QUERY manipulation in AI

what?

you ask the AI what is spaghetti and it give you the Eminem song about mom's spaghetti?

no no no

if it's that kind of irrelevant it's gg

funny that google will introduce AI tab - copying microsoft bing

they should also copy the fact that bing has no AI overiviws (at least i think so - bing suck otherswise)

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Durant Imboden  ChopSawBraha day ago edited

Yeah, I don't think Google can rely on AI just yet. Last night I was searching for the terminal used by Airline X at Chicago's O'Hare Airport, and the top result was a Google AI Overview that said "Airline X doesn't operate at O'Hare Airport." Actually, it does (my grandson is connecting to Airline X today at O'Hare), so I have to wonder what Google's AI was using as a source.

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Jacek Rużyczka  Durant Imbodena day ago

It didn't use any source for this false information. It simply hallucinated it.

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Durant Imboden  Jacek Rużyczka21 hours ago

At least a human search engineer might have flown through O'Hare on that airline!

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Saikia day ago

The comments on this post show how bad has G become under Sundar

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1hj3al4/google_ceo_sundar_pichai_says_search_giant_has/

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joamuk  Saiki6 hours ago

Haha, the irony! There's an ad for Google ads at the top of this thread.

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ChopSawBrah  Saikia day ago

comments are totally based and deserved

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Setare Farhadi a day ago

update update update and

it's effect on our sites:((

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Tushar Grover 2 days ago

What does this update target, my site hit hard

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Sayani  Tushar Grover13 hours ago

ok so a new update had rolled out? i didnt stay updated so im nt understanding anything right now

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Tushar Grover  Sayani13 hours ago

are doing trading and stock market work full time now

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Sayani  Tushar Grover12 hours ago

Oh ok...u too?

For me...I'm not doing it full time...I'm buying stocks at smaller level bt won't continue with Intraday ...it seems I need enough time n skill to do it ...+I'm writing for sm of my past clients nt sure frm where they're getting work orders

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Tushar Grover  Sayani12 hours ago

no i don't do trading at all, i thought you went full time since you abandoned your site, that's why i asked, are they getting international orders or from national clients?

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Sayani  Tushar Grover11 hours ago

Both...bt more national clients...real estate based..hospital based ...these kind of...sm ecom sites too

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Sayani  Tushar Grovera day ago

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19BARup8QL/

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Tushar Grover  Sayania day ago

wired people weird country,, cant understand want kind of world people are living in

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Bobby  Tushar Grovera day ago

It targets the domains you linked here that they looked at. They're predators. Lions of the highest caliber.

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Jacek Rużyczka  Bobbya day ago

Not lions. Hyenas!

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Tushar Grover  Bobbya day ago

bad company with bad work ethics, i was just starting to get some hope as impressions were getting little bit above 400 after previous crash from 2000 impressions, thought it will get better with time , but they ruined it again , very frustrating to deal with this company, i did nothing to the site which could be spammy

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Bobby  Tushar Grovera day ago edited

Sorry to see your struggle. That's really devastating.

In the old says, anything malicious was spam. Nowadays, anything insufficient is called spam. It's impossible to know what Google is going on about unless they share the info.

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Hernawan Id  Tushar Grovera day ago

rank up high DA big brands, parasite pages and expired domains with high DA,

"Language does not matter, if the DA is right, then you can also publish the content for the German market in Chinese.

You will rank for everything!" - Ingall webmasterworld

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Stop the Grift 2 days ago

Maybe Sundar will be the next CEO to get it.

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DataDonkey2 days ago

We should all demand reparations checks from Greedle.

Q&A: Canada news leader on getting Google to pay what it owes - https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/qa-canada-news-leader-on-getting-google-to-pay-what-it-owes/

Q: Critics keep saying these policies are just for big media. That’s not true, but how do you respond?

A: I assume the people that are stirring that are the big tech platforms and their surrogates and they’re all, you know, singing from a similar enough song sheet. The evidence in this: In Canada, both Google and Meta did deals with most of the large publishers. When Google did those deals, by signing licensing agreements, they basically admitted or acknowledged that the publisher content has value and value that they were willing to pay for. From our perspective, it’s important that the smaller publishers are included. We’ve got very small publishers now that should be getting a check at some point early in 2025.

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Souls 2 days ago

Google is installed as default for every phone. How fucked up is that?

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ChopSawBrah  Soulsa day ago

so is edge on windows

the problem is that there only 2 OS - droid and ios

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clone21 2 days ago

Why you guys still doing SEO and check this comment section? Its completely wasting your precious future times.

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Mark  clone21a day ago

If you genuinely think that... why are you here?

There's still money to be made in seo if you know what you're doing.

If you don't agree you may as well sign out and never come back, go get a job offline?

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Google Is Evil  clone212 days ago

After working 80 hour weeks for years, it’s become evident it was all a waste of time. And yes, it’s therapeutic to not bottle it in.

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Golden Phoenix  Google Is Evil2 days ago

I honestly don't come here because I think we have a solution. It's either this or me yelling in the middle of nowhere where no one can hear me :) It's just to release the frustration at this point. Long gone are the days of August when Google was "fixing" the SERPs. This last one pretty much kills us. Pinterest moving up, TikTok moving up for videos. Absolute insanity. There is no room for sites like mine anymore.

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Golden Phoenix  clone212 days ago

it's more like therapy. haha. I think most of us know the writing is on the wall.

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Golden Phoenix2 days ago edited

can someone explain to me how a "Spam" update running leads to Pinterest moving even higher? it is sickening all the lies coming from Google. How can Pinterest move so much higher when they don't produce any of the content they have on their site? Most of them are saved from other sites.

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Golden Phoenix2 days ago

The sick part about this AI stuff is Google only links to Amazon or big sites in the overviews even though in my collectibles niche I am the only one covering some of these rare stuff. It just shows how F'd up it all is. So they rank them high and then reward them in AI overviews too. Meanwhile clicks are dropping like a rock.

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Golden Phoenix2 days ago

yup, this one hurts. My site is pretty much being erased from the first page, sometimes pages drop completely, reviews I worked weeks are now dropping. It really is over. The sites that I had that were hit by HCU are now dropping to the third page and the ones that weren't hit are dropping to the 2nd or completely dropped. Never did anything gray or blackhat. It's like there is no light at the tunnel in this business anymore. It is extremely hard to even get up and update the sites daily... no money, no rewards, constant updates and many times just a gut punch out of nowhere. It just feels like a waste of time. It honestly does.

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Jacek Rużyczka  Golden Phoenixa day ago

The tunnel has a dead end.

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Google Is Evil  Golden Phoenix2 days ago

Sorry to hear this. It’s the same for me, so I completely understand. I’ve been mourning hard this year. I’m sure most of us here have been too. It’s very painful to see genuine hard work taken away without good reason. I wish I had something positive to say, but there’s really nothing positive on the horizon.

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Golden Phoenix  Google Is Evil2 days ago edited

everybody here knows I have pretty much given up on this business but it's the hope in the back of my mind that kills me. I am really disappointed that other search sites don't produce enough traffic.

I seriously have to change my daily routine in the new year. I see no reason to do what I do now. It's so over. I get up 4:30 Am in the morning to update the sites, manage the server, and by the time I am done with the day part, it's 10AM. That's 5:00+breaks that I could do video, work on another product, do something else. I think I am going to just cut it to maybe an hour. An hour and half? And spend the rest doing video or something else? This is ridiculous and not working. Waste of time.

As far as the reviews, I will be doing most on YouTube now. There is absolutely 0 reason to do any more reviews on my site. Google won't rank, refuses to reward hard work. They prefer ranking AI crap with fake images.

I keep hearing how they are owning OpenAI with their AIs and how their quantum chip is doing all this great stuff. Yet their engine keeps getting worse. You can't tell me it is not intentional.

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Google Is Evil  Golden Phoenix2 days ago

Big changes coming for me too. The editorial side of our business is dead to me now. Have to figure out how to generate revenue alternatively. And I firmly believe this is all on purpose.

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Golden Phoenix  Google Is Evil2 days ago

The hardest part for me is letting this go. Like I said, I have been doing this for 18 years. Getting up 4:20AM, have coffee, start work by 4:30, go all the way to 10AM, then work the rest of the day too. I have not even taken a vacation for years. What is the point? Nobody works for no money. Nobody. Google has closed every avenue to us. To be honest, my site is already down 95% of its traffic from May 2022 anyway. I just hope they lose the AI race. I really do. They are such an evil company. It is too bad they won't get broken up because the new president will let them off

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Google Is Evil  Golden Phoenixa day ago

totally. and the thought of having to get a normal job after the amount of work and sacrifices over the past decade + is hard to swallow. we've worked harder than most do in their entire career, and now have to basically start from zero. sickening.

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Atoz Stanf2 days ago

Hacked redirect spam rankings are at an all-time high, and that's probably the funniest thing to me. Imagine you create 100 good quality articles, it takes Google fking for EVER to index those. But as soon as your WP site gets hacked with Chinese redirect spam, OMG, Google gets a hard-on and will index those 1000s of pages in 24 hours. Can someone explain that to me? How stupid does your algorithm honestly have to be where it can't differentiate hacked pages vs the actual content? If my site is about T-shirts, and all of a sudden it gets hacked, and now I have 1000's of pages about p..rn and other BS, why algorithm doesn't throw a red flag and says, "Wait a second, this site had only 100 pages yesterday about T-shirts, today they have 10,000 adult pages, something doesn't add up", but instead, Google is like "f*k yeah, let's index those 10k pages and rank them for xxx videos, that seems legit".

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Bobby2 days ago edited

I was reading what biomtesk1002 had to say below. Based on my research, what he says is incorrect. Blogs can succeed. And you don't have to write pointless articles noone is searching for to be viewed as not spam. The one common thing between all blogs getting good traffic according to my research is that they have a "tool" of some sort. This "tool" might just be a plugin that helps create a feature for instance. But you need to think beyong being just text. Because (1) Google does not value text now that AI has come out, and (2) there's something about a "tool" that helps your content seeem unlike anything else. How long that lasts, I don't know.

Other common denominators include having a very old domain and at least 1 million backlinks.

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Bobby  Bobby2 days ago edited

You don't have to write posts noone is searching for, but I certainly did over the years, so this is not my issue.

Danny Sullivan's phrase don't write for search engines means something beyond write articles noone is searching for. I can garauntee this. I have seen concise sites ranking well that do nothing but have a limited number of webpages that people are searching for.

Moreover, an ecommerce site has to "write" only posts people are searching for. They're not going to sell fake bottles of wine. No, they'e going to sell bottles people are searching for. That's what a store is.

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Bobby2 days ago

I think I worked out what Goog Enough means. Goog is the stock symbol for Google. So I think it means Google, we've had enough of your BS that is done for the stock price. I think that's how it started.

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Atoz Stanf2 days ago

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Golden Phoenix  Atoz Stanf2 days ago

This one is from August. Now in December, all those gains for most small sites have gone. Now we are ending with a horrendous update.

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ChopSawBrah  Atoz Stanf2 days ago

AH were basically spent years before this shit.

Copers

Those who can't teach.

those can don't

messi won't be publisjing "how to play football" book

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TheNewNormal  Atoz Stanf2 days ago

Appreciate the honesty, but SEO is dead for the small publisher. And I say that mostly due to the uncertainty of what each future update brings. It used to be that small publishers weren't guaranteed success, but they weren't banned from search either. You put in the effort and you could be included at the table in varying degrees. Now the classifier just bans your site from showing in search altogether. Page 40 isn't even an option anymore, the site is just gone. You can do everything right and still get shafted by Google, which is a horrible strategy to rely you business on.

When you see big publishers ranking 1st for posts where they left in the boilerplate template slug for their writer to change but they forgot, yet the small publisher puts together a fantastic piece that the classifier destroys, SEO has no pulse.

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biomtesk1002  TheNewNormal2 days ago edited

My small blog was hit really hard from the HCU (down 80% or so) but it's not dead. Most of my traffic still comes from search, although Bing brings in more than Google now. But there is also direct traffic, social media, and other search engines. Relying 100% on Google wasn't smart before or after the HCU, I imagine the only people completely dead now are the ones who built niche SEO blogs solely for the purpose of revenue, who didn't bother to build an actual business. Just content that ranks.

edit: and I also wanted to add I haven't quit, despite being down 80%, because the purpose of starting my blog was to help people in my niche/community. The desire to help people with my insights and content doesn't change with what Google is doing or ranking me at. Even if I'm getting 100 visits a day I'll still be writing because I don't do it for the $$$. Probably another reason I'm still getting by, my blog wasn't created solely as a business even though it turned into one. I think we need more of that on the internet, not just random's writing about topics just because they think they can make $$ on it.

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Souls  biomtesk10022 days ago

Says the woke phaggot

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Sensei  Soulsa day ago

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Stop the Grift  Souls2 days ago

I feel sorry for you.

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Souls  Stop the Grifta day ago

Thank you :)

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TheNewNormal  biomtesk10022 days ago

You just described basically every legacy news, media site, and big publisher. They exist just to rank and make money online. THATS IT. That's why a large publisher that built itself on finance or as a news outlet is talking about the best cat foods or doing product reviews on the best a** scratcher. They pivoted their entire business away from what built them authority, to strictly profit off of unrelated money posts to pay the bills (since reporting the news no longer does). You can't punish a SEO blog for trying to profit as well, especially when the content is better than the unrelated news site. Let the content quality be the arbiter. Not the fact one is small and the other is too big to fail.

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googleisjoke  biomtesk10022 days ago

how else do you want to bring traffic? Instagram? If you don't do reels, it won't work, I also have better Bing than Google traffic, but it's not the answer, so what else? It's just saying "focus on other channels" what others? When I look at the traffic, I also have all sorts of traffic like direct, referal, social etc, and I also noticed that these are directly proportional to the organic, it's tied, means that when organic goes up, also referal and direct goes "magically" up, there aren't other options, organic is the only one viable option when you compare how easy it is vs building something like social traffic, then you of course need videos nowadays otherwise it won't work. Posting on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter, it's all dead not build anything with it. Tiktok? They don't even allow posts, that's the answer, you have to go for vids. Do you have money for it? I don't know. Can you do it yourself? Is the only way.

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googleisjoke  googleisjoke2 days ago

Thanks Sensei! :D

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UncleKrusty  Atoz Stanf2 days ago edited

Good to see someone in the SEO industry call it like it is. Hopefully more will speak up with the truth. The last thing we need are SEOs, marketers, etc. promoting Google's pipe dreams. Respect is earned, and it's clear Google has to make serious changes if they want to earn some of that respect back.

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googleisjoke  Atoz Stanf2 days ago

seems like a legit seo guy, isn't it that "sweet guy"? seems like him from the photo

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DataDonkey  Atoz Stanf2 days ago

He says that SEO isn't dead, but the content model is. So what's left to optimize for and what will it return? Local SEO maybe, until Greedle decides to shit on that too to scrape together a few more pennies. Who wants to optimize for AI Overlords and get less than 1% of search volume traffic? For most it will end and then Google will only have itself to feed on. I hope advertisers and users run from Google first before it gets even worse because it most definitely will.

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biomtesk1002  DataDonkey2 days ago

Every SEO trick ends eventually. For niche SEO content blogs, the trick was target low volume keywords that you could compete for, and just write a ton of articles to scrape up all that search traffic. Well, it was only a matter of time before people abused that. Enter the AI SEO bloggers, who spammed the internet with LLM AI content that was much better than previous auto-generated content. So much better that Google couldn't even classify it as auto-generated anymore because they couldn't tell it was AI. What they had to do is basically kill off the strategy of nobody websites scooping up low volume keywords because they had an AI content problem. They fell back on the big sites like Reddit, Quora, etc. because at least those sites are well known.

The strategy today is what has always worked, create unique content with your own expertise that nobody else has. Build a brand based on that expertise and quality content, growing through multiple channels (search, social, email, etc). It's a slow game but it works if you actually have content worth something.

There will be no HCU recoveries. The future is gen AI search that will capture all the short answer and yes or no queries. Reviews will continue to be dominated by big, trustworthy media companies. Eventually reading articles online is not even gonna be a thing like it is now. AI summaries built into all devices will cut through the ads and fluff and just deliver what the reader really wants.

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Bobby  biomtesk10022 days ago edited

Your social media and email traffic subscribers are not relevant to being hit in these updates.

It's also not true that you can't have a successful blog that "targets" traffic. I do see "many" still succeeding. They tended to build a long time ago though. And it's an overall small percentage.

The idea that you can't "target" traffic doesn't make any sense/is a false narrative by SEOs who have not thought enough. There's no need to polute the earth with meaningless articles that don't have an audience. "Targeting" traffic means writing only on topics people have on their minds. Doing that isn't spam.

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DataDonkey  biomtesk10022 days ago

A college education and years of industry experience are not tricks. Maybe you or others create niche blogs about stuff you have little knowledge about, but that doesn't describe me.

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ChopSawBrah  biomtesk10022 days ago

u forget one thing

AI that "cuts through the ads" won't generate enough revenue unless it's subsidized by the state

subscription won't work

people don't subsribe to shit

open AI wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for microsft benjamins

if they did, YT won't need so many ads

people are used to a free internet and want it that way so no one will pay for chatgpt v.220230

because the basic one is free and works

google NEEDS the ADS and the SERPS

if google goes in PERPLEXITY MODE, it loses money as it can't show as many ads and can't do it's query tricks

AI unlike SERPS must stay fairly accurate

and google didn't phucking nuke HCU sites because it couldn't handle "ai spam" lmfao

it was a different goal altogether

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biomtesk1002  ChopSawBrah2 days ago

Only 10% of their revenue or so is made from displaying ads on publisher sites. They are going to offset killing SERPs with their dedicated AI app and showing ads on AI overviews and chats. Googles only chance of competing long term is an integrated app experience. The traditional SERP business model is going extinct. Especially when Apple dumps Google as their default search when they get their ChatGPT integration worked out on iPhone.

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ChopSawBrah  biomtesk1002a day ago

i was talking about the ads in the serps

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Atoz Stanf  DataDonkey2 days ago edited

Google officially not just "bit the hand that fed them" for so many years, but they just completely killed it. Google was built on the backs of small publishers and now all we get is a big f u from them. Time to boycott Google.

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MrSEO 2 days ago

Last update has brought in lots of repurposed domains on pure non human ai, complete garbage. this is so bad it has to be by design.

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Michael 2 days ago

Well its going downwards again for some of my sites...I will try some things on the other sites after Christmas, but I have no hope left.

I'll have to look for a "normal" job in a few months I guess....

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FF2222 days ago

FYI:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/20/24325776/google-search-dedicated-ai-mode-gemini

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Barry Schwartz Mod FF2222 days ago

FYI https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-ai-mode-38609.html

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UncleKrusty  Barry Schwartz2 days ago edited

I mentioned your story below. IMO first will be the AI tab then Google will swap AI as the default and put web results in a tab in 2025.

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Tushar Grover 2 days ago

It seems divorce has become a new business for females for extortion of money from husbands, lately many cases coming in which newly wed girls want divorce in few months with big alimony just like google https://m.economictimes.com/wealth/save/permanent-alimony-of-rs-500-crore-sought-by-wife-from-us-based-husband-sc-grants-rs-12-crore-and-warns-against-misuse-of-498a/amp_articleshow/116503960.cms

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Sayani  Tushar Grovera day ago

I c numerous females around these days...only after money...i wonder if they even care abt EMOTIONS LOVE EMPATHY while being in a relationship with a guy

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  Tushar Grover2 days ago edited

I honestly don't know what's happening to the world...

It seems like after COVID, everyone went crazy, greedy, and immoral... I guess the right word would be "selfish".

Even some of the people I know have changed for the worse.

Sometimes the most fearful creatures on earth are humans... At least animals don't scheme or have hidden agendas.

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Sensei  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶a day ago

Yeah, getting crazier by the day...

see more

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Zumanello  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶a day ago

It seems like after COVID, everyone went crazy, greedy, and immoral... I guess the right word would be "selfish".

Yes, this!

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Jacek Rużyczka  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶2 days ago

Apparently, many of us got affected by the Toxoplasma pathogen, which normally makes rodents mad. The cat then eats the infected rodent and in turn infects you when you cuddle it.

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Tushar Grover  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶2 days ago

Everthing has changed for only money, people have become greedy and unethical, they don't care about anyone and anything, only money. Doesn't matter weather it comes from illegal methods or cheating it does not matter, if you don't have it then even your relatives and relationships will treat you like filth of earth and begger , only agenda is to extort money somehow or get some favor else no will is willing to talk to you for any reason

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ChopSawBrah  Tushar Grover2 days ago

nothing has phuckign change

it was the same shit all along

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Google Is Evil2 days ago

This is exactly what's happening:

see more

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googleisjoke  Google Is Evil2 days ago

google is losing markeshare? wishful thinking bro

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Google Is Evil  googleisjoke2 days ago

According to chatGPT, it's true:

Google continues to dominate the global search engine market, maintaining a substantial lead over its competitors. As of November 2024, Google’s market share across all devices was approximately 89.98%, with Bing holding 3.94%, Yandex 2.4%, and Yahoo! 1.24%. ￼

However, recent developments indicate a slight decline in Google’s market share. In January 2024, Google held a 91.47% share, which decreased to 89.98% by November 2024. ￼

This decline is partly attributed to the rise of AI-powered platforms like ChatGPT. A survey conducted by Evercore in September 2024 revealed that 8% of U.S. respondents now use ChatGPT as their primary search engine, up from 1% in June, while Google’s share fell from 80% to 74%. ￼

Additionally, AI-driven shopping assistants are influencing user behavior. Reports suggest that consumers are increasingly turning to AI platforms for online shopping, potentially impacting traditional search engine usage. ￼

Despite these challenges, Google remains the predominant player in the search engine market. The company is actively integrating AI technologies into its services to enhance user experience and maintain its competitive edge.

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ChopSawBrah  Google Is Evil2 days ago edited

nate is huge coper

the brutal reality is google is not losing no share no nothing

still 99% of search

anyone praising bing, duck and ecosia is a huge coper ( I also did it in the past)

and now catching up with openAI which needs microsoft and the entire world to back it up to survice

hate both but also being real

google is losing NOTHING

techncally technically (not morally) or ethically

pichai did his job very well

if money is the goal that is

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ChopSawBrah 2 days ago

AI spam city never stop

only 5k words today as I had some work to do in the middle of the day

but no give up

can't break the chop saw brah so easily

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actualart  ChopSawBrah2 days ago

Please keep up your good work. We need spam. Spam is basic human right.

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ChopSawBrah  actualart2 days ago

i will

I will write standard only for my first blog that still exists today

all else is AI spam full throttle

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Golden Phoenix2 days ago

OpenAI saved o3 for the last. haha. Google got owned it seems. They thought they were going to own OpenAI by announcing new models every day. Google's best model is right now barely better than o1. o3 ... how much better is it? We will see.

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Souls  Golden Phoenix2 days ago

Well google thought they will be leading the race with AI, I mean they are google. Fact is chatgpt became a household name, its mentioned in tv, tv shows, news, even everyday stuff.

Google does what they always do, they have control over our devices, they can and they will force people to use gemini.

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Golden Phoenix  Souls2 days ago

I honestly have no dog in this fight. I just don't want Google to do to AI what they did to search. Look at how many small businesses they have killed off. I have no love for OpenAI. I am sure they are terrible too. How many jobs will be going away because of what these guys are doing?

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Souls  Golden Phoenix2 days ago

I don't like either, they have both destroyed publishers, stealing their work without any compensation.

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Top Coder  Golden Phoenix2 days ago

In this dangerous "uncontrolled" rat race, fear that AI might end up destroying everything.

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Golden Phoenix  Top Coder2 days ago

well, they didn't let us test it or anything. By the time they announce it, Google will have new models.

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UncleKrusty  Top Coder2 days ago

AI has already destroyed many publishers and businesses with many others waiting in line to collapse. I've been keeping a very close on our sales, and I can't give AI credit for even a single purchase. It would appear AI is all about control - who controls the content we create and decides who, if anyone, can see it in its original source (our pages). Same applies to consumer spending where AI owners control where consumers spend their money at. The party that uses AI to give consumers control, instead of themselves, would quickly rise to the top. Unfortunately I don't see anyone doing this because doing so doesn't provide the immediate gratification of profit.

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Top Coder  UncleKrusty2 days ago

I'm not talking about just the web. The people involved in building these models know they're playing with fire :(

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UncleKrusty  Top Coder2 days ago

That fire you speak of is burning other people already, like the United Health Care AI model that had a 90% error rate in claim evaluations. Big Tech has politicians convinced that in order to win the AI race against China, they must be given free reign to do as they please and they are.

For us in search, Barry reported https://www.seroundtable.com/google-search-ai-mode-38609.html about Google's dedicated AI tab. This may be a big step in the elimination of web results entirely.

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Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶  Golden Phoenix2 days ago edited

The one-uppermanship is awesome. They both are waiting for each other to show their cards before showing their own trump card. It is awesome.

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Golden Phoenix  Jewish Cat Who Does S̶E̶O̶2 days ago

In the end, all these models will be in the same range. Same with the video models.

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Bobby2 days ago

Poor SEOs struggling to get ready for the holiday season. Always the victim. Imagine being the person paying the SEO.

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Saiki2 days ago

Indexing problem is back.

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Saiki2 days ago

Greedle wants more money.

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Top Coder2 days ago

Nothing Greedle does shocks us anymore Barry, nothing!

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Barry Schwartz Mod Top Coder2 days ago

It is good to be numb to it all, right?

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AwesomeSauce  Barry Schwartz2 days ago

Hard to be numb to it when you've got to feed the family and pay the bills.

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DataDonkey2 days ago

We shouldn't be shocked. Greedle is so greedy they will stop at nothing to consume everything on the web, like the cancer they are, until the host (internet) is dead.

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Top Coder  DataDonkey2 days ago

Google: The Parasite.

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DataDonkey  Top Coder2 days ago

I see Greedle as the cancer of the web. The courts can remove the tumor and laws regulating Greedle can provide chemotherapy to prevent the tumor from growing again.

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Top Coder  DataDonkey2 days ago

The only solution is to dismantle the host - take away Chrome, Android, and Youtube.

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